00:02Summer, drop whatever you're doing right now. You see this mess? Someone completely screw up these files and I don't
00:07have time to deal with it.
00:08I've got an interview to conduct and I need this sorted out immediately.
00:12Oliver, I was just finishing up the quarterly reports that were due today. Maybe we...
00:16I don't want to hear it. You have until the end of the morning to get these documents organized properly.
00:21Every single page needs to be in order, filed correctly and ready for review.
00:24And if it's not done by then, you're fired. Do I make myself clear?
00:28Oliver, I don't think I can finish all this by the end of the morning.
00:33There's gotta be at least three hours of work here. I mean, it's all ready.
00:36Are you telling me that you can't do your job? Because I can find someone who can.
00:40There are plenty of people out there who would be grateful to have your position.
00:44Don't test me today, Summer. I'm not in the mood for excuses or complaints.
00:48You'll get it done or you'll clean out your desk. What's it gonna be?
00:52Okay, I'll get it done.
00:53Good.
00:55Now then, is the candidate here yet?
00:56The interview was scheduled for 10 o'clock and I do appreciate punctuality.
01:01Yes, she's, uh, Camila is waiting for you in the interview room.
01:04She arrived about 10 minutes ago.
01:06Excellent.
01:08I do like when people arrive on time. Shows respect and professionalism.
01:12Don't know what I would do if she didn't wait.
01:15And remember, those documents need to be finished.
01:18By the end of the morning, I'll be checking on your progress.
01:21Yes, I understand.
01:30How am I gonna get through all of this?
01:39Camila, I presume? I'm Oliver Martinez, the hiring manager for this position.
01:42Yes, nice to meet you, Mr. Martinez. Thank you for taking the time to meet with me today.
01:47So, Camila, I have to say I've reviewed your resume and I'm very impressed with your background.
01:51But I'd love to hear from you directly.
01:53Please go ahead and tell me a bit about yourself and your professional journey.
01:57Thank you so much for saying that about my resume. I really appreciate it.
02:01Well, I started my career about eight years ago as an intern at Morrison Associates, which is a major consulting
02:08firm here in the city.
02:09I was there for about six months, learning the basics of project coordination and client relations.
02:15Morrison Associates, that's a very well-respected firm.
02:18Absolutely. After my internship, I was hired as a junior project manager at Tech Vision Solutions, where I spent three
02:25and a half years.
02:25I was responsible for coordinating multiple client projects simultaneously, managing timelines, budgets, and cross-functional teams.
02:34From there, I moved to Apex Consulting as a senior project manager, which is the role I held most recently.
02:40And in that position, I was overseeing projects with budgets exceeding over $2 million and managing teams of up to
02:4715 people.
02:47That's quite a progression. It sounds like you've taken on increasing levels of responsibility at each step.
02:52Exactly. I've always been someone who seeks out challenges and opportunities to grow.
02:58I believe that's what makes me effective in leadership roles.
03:00I can see that from your track record.
03:03Now, I do notice there's a gap in your employment history here.
03:07You left Apex Consulting about 14 months ago, but your previous position ended only two months ago.
03:13Can you tell me about that year in between?
03:15That's a great question, and I'm glad you asked.
03:17I made the decision to take a year off to focus on my mental health and personal well-being.
03:23I see. That takes courage to do.
03:26It wasn't an easy decision, but I recognized that I had been pushing myself pretty hard for several years without
03:32taking time to recharge.
03:34And during that year, I did some traveling.
03:36I spent about four months in Europe staying with friends that I had made during college.
03:40That sounds wonderful. Traveling can be so enriching.
03:42It really was. I also used that time to work with a therapist to develop better work-life balance strategies
03:48and stress management techniques.
03:50I felt it was important to invest in myself so that I could return to the workforce as the best
03:55version of myself.
03:56I think that's fantastic. Honestly, I wish I could take a break like that sometimes.
04:00Sometimes I feel like I'm just drowning in this place.
04:08Oh, I'm sorry. Where were we? Yes. So, Camilla, now please tell me why did you decide to leave your
04:16most recent position?
04:17I see you were a senior manager for almost five years there.
04:21Yes, that's correct. I left because I started to notice some concerning changes in the company culture.
04:27The environment was becoming increasingly toxic and management began treating employees poorly.
04:34How so?
04:35They started demanding excessive overtime without compensation, disregarding work-life balance, and generally not valuing employee well-being.
04:44There was also a lack of professional development opportunities and very little recognition for good work.
04:49That sounds really challenging.
04:51It was. I believe that employees do their best work when they feel valued and supported.
04:56When that foundation wasn't there, everyone suffers. The employees, the clients, and ultimately the company itself.
05:03Yeah, I completely understand. And I want to assure you that our work environment here is much different.
05:09We prioritize employee satisfaction and maintain reasonable expectations for work-life balance.
05:14That is so wonderful to hear.
05:17Honestly, Camilla, I have to say that I'm very happy with how this interview has gone.
05:21You have exactly the kind of experience and mindset we're looking for and I have high hopes for your candidacy.
05:26Thank you so much. I have to say I'm really excited too.
05:30I've heard only positive things about this company and everything you've told me today reinforces that this would be a
05:35great fit.
05:36I hope so too. I can honestly say that things are looking very good for you. Thank you again for
05:41coming in today.
05:42How, thank you so much for your consideration. What's wrong?
05:48You forgot to mention that you're pregnant.
05:50I'm sorry. Is that a problem?
05:53You weren't honest with me. You sat through this entire interview without disclosing your condition. That completely changes everything.
05:59How does it change anything? And I didn't have to disclose anything about my personal life because my pregnancy doesn't
06:06affect my ability to work.
06:07Are you kidding me? What about maternity leave? How am I supposed to plan for that? How am I going
06:11to find someone to cover your work when you're out for months?
06:14Those are normal considerations that any employer has to plan for.
06:18And what about your emotional state, huh? Pregnant women are moody. They make decisions based on hormones instead of logic.
06:24That's a liability we can't afford to take on.
06:26What you're doing right now is completely illegal. A company cannot refuse to hire someone solely because they're pregnant. This
06:32is textbook pregnancy discrimination which violates federal law.
06:37Federal law. I don't care about that.
06:39Well, you have to care. This company is supposed to have a reputation for being fair and understanding with all
06:46employees.
06:47What do you know about this company? I know more than you think I do.
06:50Follow me. I need to clear some things up.
06:58Summer. Stop what you're doing right now.
07:00Is everything okay?
07:02When this woman walked in here earlier, did you know she was pregnant?
07:05I don't understand why you're asking me that.
07:07It's a simple question, Summer. Did you or did you not notice that she's pregnant when she arrived?
07:12You cannot interrogate her like that.
07:14Shut up! I'm not talking to you right now. I'm not going to ask you again. Answer me now. Or
07:20you can join her in looking for a new job.
07:21Yes, of course. I noticed. How could I not notice?
07:25Then you should have warned me. It's unacceptable that you let me walk into that interview unprepared.
07:30Stop treating her like this. She did not do anything wrong.
07:33This is exactly what always happens. I let women get what they want and then I end up regretting it.
07:38Every single time.
07:39Why do I keep doing this to myself? Why do I keep trusting them?
07:43Oliver, you can't refuse to hire someone just because they're pregnant. If she's qualified to do the job, that should
07:50be enough.
07:50Thank you, Summer. That's exactly right. You should be considering my qualifications just like you were doing during the interview.
07:57Everything was going perfectly well and you were ready to hire me.
08:00That was before I saw your situation. My situation? Is that what you're calling my pregnancy?
08:06Oliver, you're always treating women poorly in this office. You can't keep getting away with it.
08:11Oh, I see what's happening here. You're ganging up on me now. Is that it? No. You need to leave
08:16right now. And you're fired. Clean out your desk.
08:19No, I'm not going anywhere and you're not firing her. What did you just say to me? You heard me
08:24correctly. My name is Camilla Marin and I'm the CEO of this company.
08:30I've been receiving multiple complaints about discriminatory behavior, especially towards women employees. And I wanted to see for myself what
08:37was really happening here.
08:40Oh my God. I am so glad you were here. Are you one of the employees who made a complaint?
08:47Yes, I was. I have been documenting everything for months.
08:51This is ridiculous, okay? You're both insane. Absolutely insane. You set me up here. This whole thing was a trap.
08:57Well, you know, congratulations. You got me.
09:01Oliver, it's clear that you are not well. I'm going to have to let you go, at least temporarily.
09:07Wait, wait, wait, wait. I can change. I can be better, okay? I just, I just, I just need another
09:13chance.
09:14I'm sorry, but my decision is final. What I witnessed today was completely unacceptable and illegal.
09:21Fine. Whatever.
09:23However, the company will pay for therapy sessions for you during your time away. If you can get the help
09:29you need and demonstrate real change, there might be a possibility for you to return in the future.
09:34So, like, like take a gap year? Like the one you took? Something like that, yes.
09:40Alright, whatever. But, I still think pregnant women can't work as well as everyone else.
09:53Sometimes people never learn no matter how many chances you give them.
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